
Recently, a blog for male feminists called The Good Men Project linked to my article about women in comedy.
They didn’t like it.
The writer, Josh Bowman, said his anger was “violently stoked” by what I had written. Later, he went back in and edited the metaphor, noting that it “may have inaccurately or inadvertently suggested actual acts of violence.”
Now, I didn’t actually think that Mr. Bowman was literally going to hunt me down and violently attack me, but I did think it was fucking excessive to claim you were made violently angry because someone has a different opinion on comedy than you do. It wasn’t threatening, it was overly dramatic.
Let’s put this topic aside for a moment, though, because none of this matters until you know exactly what The Good Men Project is. From their “About” page:
The Good Men Project is not so much a magazine as a social movement. We are fostering a national discussion centered around modern manhood and the question, “What does it mean to be a good man”?
What DOES it mean to be a good man? I thought that was a decent enough question, so I asked my partner Marcus for his opinion. I consider him to have all the qualities of a good man: He’s hard-working, kind, insightful, and he treats the people in his life with love and respect. I figured if anyone would have the answer, he would.
He said: “Real ‘good men’ don’t need a project in order to be good. What is this shit? That looks retarded.”
There’s a reason the word “good” often has sneaky, nefarious connotations in art and literature. Doubleplusgood, Goodfellas, Good Omens, Only the Good Die Young. The word “good” is often more closely associated with “fake” and “up to something” than it is with “moral.” Perhaps this is because the more interesting minds instinctively know there’s no way to define being good. Good people don’t go around talking about how good they are. Good people just are.
In the words of Oscar Wilde: “It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious.”
One article that seemed to sum up the milieu of the Good Men Project for me was this: “Men May Never Truly Understand a Day in the Life of Women. But Shouldn’t We Try?” in which the author discovers that a day in the life of a woman is one of CONSTANT HELL AND TERROR.

“Women face lives that we men will rarely see and never feel,” he says, referring to the rampant daily CEO-rapings which we women must endure in order to be allowed to collect a paycheck. (Contact your local Senator, this practice should be illegal!) He continues: “Women are constantly reminded that they are different from us.”
Jesus Lordy, talk about hero worship. We’re constantly reminded that we’re different? I’m surprised the article isn’t accompanied by photos of women taking out the trash and buying Vitamin Water under the heading: Women: They’re just like US!
What’s a day like in the life of a woman? Well, allow a woman to tell you. It’s just like a man’s, only once a month we squirt a stream of menstrual-period diarrhea out our smoothly shaven assholes. If you want to be a woman, eat lunch from the shady Halal truck on 10th Avenue. You will soon discover a day in the life of a woman: blood, cramping, and watery, unstoppable shit.
So, the premise of The Good Men Project now being firmly established (blood and halal poop), I admit I was a bit shocked to see my article so quickly dismissed.
I had to wonder: Why is an article about women’s rights so dismissive of the opinion of another woman? I figured being linked to from the article entitled me to leave my opinion on the article, which I did. And it was promptly deleted.
Here’s what I said:

In short, I was being my usual irreverent assholish self. Nothing over-the-top as far as I could tell. I’ve been thrown across a room headfirst into a wall, sure, but mainly, I was disturbed that, in his quest to defend women’s rights, this guy picked out an article by a woman and claimed it made him angry.
About 15 minutes later, I received this email:

Feminists believe in the radical notion that women are equal to men. Which, I guess, is why my comment was censored. Can’t have women disagreeing with men when they’re busy trying to be pro-women, can we?
The commenting policy lists a bunch of normal blog violations which will get your comment deleted including posting threatening or harassing messages, linking to porn sites, etc. The usual. None of which I did.
But here’s where it gets super-faggy. The comment policy goes on to say the following:
“Ad hominem abuse involves insulting or belittling one’s opponent in order to invalidate his argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensible character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent’s argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent’s personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent’s arguments or assertions.”
Is this a commenting policy or a grad-school application? Congratulations, your commenting policy has been accepted to the NYU Media, Culture and Communications program!
Interestingly, Josh Bowman replied to me in the comments section, but his comment was deleted as well! It was up for about five minutes before falling victim to the logical merits of the opponent’s assertions policy. I copied and saved it:

My! Sensitive men are sensitive! And snippy!
I’m not going to address specific things in Josh’s reply, because it’s twisty missive of nonsense and self-righteousness and he puts a ton of words in my mouth in order to argue with them. He’s only arguing with himself, so I ignored it.
Basically, he accuses me of being crazy and “going nuts” and being histrionic because I deigned to disagree with him. Goddamn, I’m one uppity slit! Don’t I know my place is to agree with the men who know what’s best for me? Women! We cannot drive cars but we sure can drive men CRAZY! Honk!
It’s a good thing I already knew this guy is out there defending women and stuff or I’d think he was a douche. Glad he’s on our side. Feminism 4-EVA!
One thing that really jumped out at me from him response was how this guy claims to be a comedian and is writing an article about comedy yet has no idea what the phrase “Def Jam-style comic” means. He seems to think it’s Wanda Sykes or Chris Rock. Wanda Sykes’s name, by the way, was on a billboard noting her upcoming performance as we drove through the middle of Pennsylvania this week. Def Jam comics do not perform in the middle of Pennsylvania. Def Jam style is more along the lines of, say, this Cedric the Entertainer clip, wherein he is totally baffled by gay people.
Bowman tries to claim I’m racist for not liking Def Jam comedy, but by his own admittance, he doesn’t understand what he’s even defending. So, Josh Bowman, here’s a homophobic black guy in a fancy yellow hat. You love Def Jam comedy? Sure you do. I’m sure you watch it all the time when you’re not flogging your penis with a tiny whip and putting your own name on Don’t Date Him Girl.
In the end, The Good Men project not only deleted my comment and their own response, but they also deleted another comment from a male friend of mine which said, in part: “Not sure I agree with your post here, pal. Unfortunately, stereotypes thrive because there is a basis for their existence. Whether they’re racist, sexist, or downright culturally harmful. We can stoically deny their prevalence in an effort to decry their social weight, but does that really apply in this case?”
I won’t post the full comment, but except for disagreeing with the thesis of the essay, it conformed with their commenting policy.
Goddess only knows if they deleted any other comments, but from these three examples it appears that The Good Men Project possibly just deletes and censors any comment which doesn’t agree with them. On the other hand, I’ve been called everything from a fat cunt to a kapo in the comments of Street Carnage. But they stay up. That’s what’s called having a sack.

I suppose, in this way, The Good Men Project proves what excellent feminists they actually are: Censor anything you find disturbing. If you don’t like it, disappear it. Radical feminists aren’t concerned with women, they’re concerned with feminism. Women come second. What kind of pro-woman feminist tells another woman that her opinions are invalid?
And herein lies the problem with having a cock and balls while calling yourself a feminist. That is: You feminist men don’t know what the flying fuck you’re talking about. You’re just writing bullshit blog posts desperately hoping that you believe the right thing (and desperately hoping your controlling, ultra-feminist girlfriend will love you enough to milk your prostate while she blows you). But you don’t have your own opinions, you regurgitate the opinions of others. So when it comes to making hard decisions and thinking for yourself, you can’t. You’ll always have to check and see what women think first, because your opinion, ultimately, is nothing more than a compost heap of sycophancy, guilt, and sexual confusion.
You’ve convinced yourself that woman have it so hard in life that they must be coddled and protected at every turn. You’re so certain that you’re the bad guy that when another woman stands up and tells you you’re being too hard on yourself, you can’t even process it. Instead, you attack her for challenging your Stockholm Syndrome notion that you’re not the worst human on Earth. You’re the oppressor and the oppressed and the savior all rolled into one. You don’t even know what you are. You say you can’t possibly know what it feels like to be a woman, so stop writing about it! Take off your hair shirt and step away from the blog. You haven’t got a third leg to stand on.
Remember, it is the good men “project”, they’re still working on actually creating a good man.
When will women realize that we sometimes need to browbeat you for not being battered enough? That angelic victim aura is the only thing about you that actually gets us off, certainly not all your opinions and shallow personality, those are all the fault of/reaction to the patriarchy I’ve somehow forced you to live under.
more like FAIL MEMINIST, amirite????
okay, I got nothing. good article, I am in general agreeement.
Many of us have been conditioned to feel like the rapists we know we are inside because we were beaten with hardbound copies of “Our Bodies, Ourselves” as young pre-oppressors. Don’t be too mad at Mr. Bowman, it’s probably just his time of the month.
Tiny whip! Great article Ham.
Love the article. What’s with Male Feminists? They’re usually awful. Probably because their trying to score hairy radical feminist snatch. *Shivers*
You went to easy on those guys.
“So, Josh Bowman, here’s a homophobic black guy (Cedric The Entertainer) in a fancy yellow hat.” What happened to comedic license? Don Rickles jokes about black people; Chris Rock jokes about white people. That doesn’t mean they’re REALLY racist. Same can be said for Cedric being homophobic.
“Def Jam comics do not perform in the middle of Pennsylvania.” Bullshit. They perform wherever there’s a check. You’d be surprised by the number of white people in “bodunk” towns that like to hear black “Def Jam” comedians talk about them. It’s something that commonly discussed and joked about among black comedians.
Other than the PC criticism in an article whose argument was supposed to be anti-PC, I agree that members of The Good Men Project(LOL)are pussy-whipped and suffer from a criticism phobia.
From the men that brought you the article The Satisfaction of Hard Work.
Thanks Dewan. I guess I would be surprised by where they perform, thanks for pointing that out.
I mainly wanted to point out that this is not humor that I imagine The Good Men project-types would happily watch, not so much that I personally think Cedric the Entertainer is homophobic or a bad guy or anything. It’s kinda hard to find Def Jam clips online. I mean, other than Bernie Mac saying “I ain’t afraid of you motherfuckers” which is honestly one of my favorite comedy routines ever filmed.
I’ll bet these guys spend a lot of time nodding their heads.
You were definitely too easy on these simpering, sexually ambiguous, bespectacled man-blobs Kyria. And yes, they are generally motivated almost entirely by the desire to score hairy, gross feminist-snatch.
Kyria this, just like everything else I can remember reading from you, was quite sexcellent. You remind me of most chicks that I know in the meatspace, i.e. those who understand humor and aren’t offended by JOKES. It always shocks me when I read things from guys like those of the “Good Men Project” because I’ve never encountered such disgraceful beings in reality.
Yeah, that Cedric bit was funny, not homophobic. A little hacky, sure, but still funny.
I am sure those guys are tons of fun to hang out with, what with all their mommy issues and their micro-penises and their barely concealed anger issues towards women. Am I wrong, or do these men all seem to hate/fear women? The vibe I get from them is very… (nerd alert): Johnny the Homical Maniac. Like, there’s one story where he tries to kill the one woman he’s attracted to and he stands in a doorway brandishing a giant knife saying he’s going to “Immortalize the Moment”. They all seem serial killer-y to me.
And if you think this is a stretch, one of their writers, Hugo Schwyzer, tried to murder his girlfriend. Check it out:
http://studentactivism.net/2012/01/04/paternalistic-feminism-hugo-schwyzer/
This post wasn’t funny. Case proven.
I’d call Josh Bowman a faggot, but I have way too much respect for faggots to associate their good name with him. Speaking of women and Adam Carolla , one of the funniest one-offers I’ve ever heard on his show was delivered by Lisa Lampanelli (who i rarely find funny).
AC was telling a long winded story about the woman who had here face ripped off by that chimp.
LL: “Who, Rihanna?”
hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
lmao @ paul.
and ya i agree with kyria those dudes seem creepy as fuck. ugh.
Hi Kyria (and commentators),
I can tell you are upset and angry, so I want to clear the air. Arguments online escalate incredibly quickly because it is easy to let your anger get the best of them and before you know it, you are calling people you don’t know retarded pussy-whipped creepy faggots. And that is too bad.
So, the first thing I would like to say is the Good Men Project website itself is set up as a dialogue between men and women from a diverse range of ideological backgrounds. In other words, many people write for the site, and they have different opinions. My opinion is mine alone, and I am graciously provided the privilege to post on the Good Men Project site.
Please also note some factual errors in what you wrote:
Hugo Schwyzer resigned from the Good Men Project:
http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2011/12/21/why-i-resigned-from-the-good-men-project/
He does, interestingly, still write for Jezebel:
http://jezebel.com/5889669/only-assholes-say-you-wont-sleep-with-them-unless-theyre-assholes
Chris Rock has performed on Def Comedy Jam:
http://play.kendincos.com/158566/Wnrdhrvvztxtxdhlp-chris-rock-def-comedy-jam.html
I don’t see where I mentioned Wanda Sykes in anything that was posted. I have watched a tremendous amount of Def Jam Comedy. I don’t like all of it, I do like some of it. It is diverse. That was my point.
The Good Men Project is not a radical feminist website. It is a collection of everybody from radical feminists to men’s rights activists and everything in between.
As far as the timeline for this article goes, here is my take:
- I had read a large number of articles online claiming that women aren’t funny (and several rebuttals). Many of my close friends (and my girlfriend) are female comedians. Consequently, I disagreed with that thesis. I was, and still am, annoyed and angry about jerky male comedians who dismiss every female comedian as not funny. I think it’s untrue, and sexist.
- I mentioned this ongoing debate on Facebook, and a number of my friends posted articles about the debate, including one friend who posted (and agreed with) your article, Kyria. It led me to posting on the GMP and linking to your article.
- Because I linked to your article, you found what I wrote and got upset. You wrote a comment, and I wrote a response (as posted above). In discussion with our editor, your comment was removed and I removed my response. I agree that both should have been removed. They were unhelpful and antagonistic.
- I then did my best to understand that you were upset about the use of “violent” language, and, taking a moment, amended my post. If you are a survivor of violence, then that takes it to another level beyond debating whether or not Chris Rock performed on Def Jam (as above, he did). We can insult each other until the cows come home, but there are places I think it is particularly gross to go…and this is one of them.
- Subsequent to this, you emailed our editor and told her that you would write a post that would take us all down (I’m paraphrasing), and several weeks later, I have your response.
So. Here is what I think:
- You absolutely have a right to your opinion, and you can disagree with me all you want. You also have a right to feel however you want about what I have to say. Clearly, you feel angry and hurt.
- I have a right to my opinion, and I have a right to disagree with you. I also have the right to feel however I want. I feel disappointed that the conversation went the direction it did. For what it’s worth, while my article still reflects how I truly feel about Adam Carolla and female comedians, I am sorry that you felt hurt and upset by what I wrote. I honestly just threw in the link to your article to make a small point and didn’t think much about it.
- At no point have I ever attacked you personally. I addressed your arguments and your points. You, on the other hand, as well as the people who have commented on your post, have attacked me personally and with great flourish. It’s water off a duck’s back for me, but do you understand how personal attacks undermine your argument? I’m not trying to be patronizing here…I’m honestly asking.
I read everything you wrote, and I considered it. I still disagree, and I have done my best to explain why. You may still hate me and think I am a pussy or an asshole or a faggot or a retard or whatever, and that’s fine. I would hope, however, that you would at least give me the same courtesy that I have given to you as a writer in addressing my perspective.
Hey! Look at that, the above comment didn’t get deleted!
Hey Josh,
Thanks for replying. I don’t know how you plan to foster a dialogue between men and women if you’re deleting comments.
And thanks for clearing up that it’s not a radical feminist site. I wasn’t really sure what it was.
That being said, here’s the email thread between me and the editor. I realize you were paraphrasing, but I don’t say things like “I’m going to take you down.” I’m not a pro wrestler.
I did, however, say that you are hypocrites. I think it would be good for your site to allow free discussion and not censor people’s opinions or be afraid of conflict. I think that would be a lot more honest and you’d get a lot more accomplished. Just something to consider.
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Ms. Abrahams,
Please be aware of our commenting policy, which you can view here. http://goodmenproject.com/commenting-policy/
Your post has been removed and will not be reinstated.
If you’d like to continue posting comments at GMP, please observe our commenting guidelines.
Joanna Schroeder
Senior Editor, The Good Men Project
25 Failsafe* Rules For Dads Raising Daughters
http://www.goodmenproject.com
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Awesome. I’ll be blogging about this. I saved a copy of the comment. You removed it because I made you look bad. I said nothing inappropriate. Meanwhile, you comment on MY blog?
You are hypocrites.
kyria
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Joanna’s GMP Email joanna@goodmenbook.org
I don’t know what Josh said on your blog, I’ve never even been to your blog.
You have every right to moderate Josh’s comment on your blog, just as we have the right to moderate comments on our site which violate policy.
I’d love to publish a comment of yours that does not personally attack our writer or other commenters.
I’m happy to work with you to determine what that edited version of your comment would look like. I’d even be happy to publish a blog item by you on our site that is consistent with the mission of The Good Men Project. But I cannot tolerate violations of our commenting policy.
I’m CC’ing our CEO and publisher on this email as well so that she is aware of the situation.
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I saved both mine and Josh’s response. Thanks.
Feel free to cc whoever you like. Why would you mention that to me? It’s not my business. What an odd thing to mention.
Have a great night.
kyria
You’re not a pro-wrestler? I am so disappointed!
I thought you were a renaissance girl.
I like hair on the vaginas I encounter. And sometimes on the buttholes. Is that so wrong?
Don’t feel so bad. That particular moderator – Joanna Shroeder – is known for banning people simply for disagreeing with her. There is never anything in the ‘moderation’ policy that actually covers the behavior she bans you for. She just bans you. Which wouldn’t be so bad if she didn’t insist on bigfooting her way into every comment thread, chilling speech just by being there.
She banned in retaliation for taking the side of another commenter, who noted that she regularly dismisses the experiences of men. I pointed out that I – and several other – commenters have said that same exact thing about her. An hour later, all most comments were deleted, and I was blocked from making new ones. I didn’t even get a letter. I did send one, though (and it was a few shades nicer than anything they deserved).
That site is a fraud, anyway. They pretend to be a men’s site, while the moderation duties are conducted by feminist women. That really says all you need to know about how they view ‘Good’ men.
Most of the men that are allowed to stay there barely count as men at all.
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